Posts by Jim Dee

When I was an elder I tackled him about his 2 sons (one was eventually removed as a MS, but the stink he kicked up was "to be seen") the political problems he caused me and the PO was terrifying. It was only when an elderly sister called him Eli to his face did he back down - but then he wanted to set up a judicial commitee on this 83 year old sister for "defaming an elder" and "not having respect for Jehovahs appointed men".

I told him no - because she was right, end of story. But it does show how things can get out of hand

Jim

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A Storm is a Brewin'

by Farkel in

i found this little gem from the january 2002 km thanks to stephanus: .

january 2000 kingdom ministry now up.

i present it in all its deception (together with my ever-so-humble observations) for your reading enjoyment: .

Jim Dee

Excuse me, but I did post this note in late 2001:-

The move to central UK (either Milton Keynes or Derby) has been scrapped - it has not yet been formally announced but is common knowledge in Bethel

However, the society has seen the price of its land in Bethel move up DRAMATICALLY since they posponed the idea of a move. The interesting thing is that the sites at MK (next to Furzton) and Derby (by the Toyota Factory) are still free - and the temptation grants are still in place

May not be a storm brewing, but a windfall

Jim

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Elder's School Review This Weekend

by minimus in

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2 full days will be given to the elders for a review of the school that the elders already attended last year.

any idea of what else they could possibly say??

?

Jim Dee

Its "Troll Time" again

They are not lowering themselves to mention Silent Lambs or the UN activities.

The main thrusts are:-

The new ministry school

1 How to use the new book

2. The benefits of the new program

3. How to manage the first few difficult weeks of the new school (get you best speakers on first)

Keeping the congregation clean

a) Disciplinary action -immorality, uncleaness, spotting the "waverers", spotting those who manipulate Jehovahs loving kindness

Helping the flock

a) Elderly, Infirm, Those weak in the truth - help them get to meetings, on the work (only 15 mins now)

Literature

a) use of, placement of, return visits on

Appointed men families

a) Signs of weakness, encourage all in family, Family is a top priority, don't let congregation responsibilites cloud your family judgment

Judicial matters

a) Follow what the society says, look what happens when you don't do as instructed (bad publicity etc)

b) Make sure that all things are reported to Bethel, "mistakes" have happened because the society is not fully informed this has let to some of the "flock" being damaged and going apostate. Everything must be reported otherwise the society cannot make the right decision - and that responsibility is with the local elders

c) Clarification on Child Abuse

Organisation is under attack

a) Why are we surprised? It was fortold, expected

b) from Authorities (France/Georgia), from Apostates "whipping up emotions", from Satans instruments (The internet, Apostates, email (see September 2002 KM)

c) "The love of the greater number will cool off", time to really strenthen our faith in Jehovah

There is also another section that is closely guarded

Hope this helps

Jim

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Bill Bowen, you are no Ray Franz............

by IslandWoman in

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"i know ray franz and you are nothing like him.

" in integrity you are much smaller, in writing ability compared to him you fail miserably, in love for truth you do not compare.. bill bowen, you will never be as great a man as ray franz!

because you act before you think!

Jim Dee

I find this type of hysteria objectionable

Bill is a "get up and do it" man, he has done more damage to the society than all the people here put together - full stop

Ray is an intellectual who writes with conviction and a true advocate of "the pen is stronger than the sword"

Bill couldn't write a book like Ray - and Ray wouldn't step up a march across Brooklyn and talk on the TV

These are two towers of our movement - both with different strengths - and both damaging the society if different ways

When the society see us bickering like this they have won - we have strong leaders, lets utilise them and not destroy them. Why do the society's work for them?

Jim

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IF YOU COULD REASON WITH A GB MEMBER.....

by minimus in

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what would you say?

Jim Dee

By my desk is a wall

The wall is warn, listens (and never answers back), looks good, cares for me in the winter when it rains and snows, protects me from the sun.

The wall is far more intelligent and useful, and more responsive, than the GB

Jim

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WIRETAPPING

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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i have had some of strange and weird things happen (strange phone calls, and lots of other weird things, and certain "code words" used towards me), and i believe that there are certain freemasons (or other group), which has tried to use these subtle (and not-so-subtle) threats on me and my family.

(it may be connected to some of my relatives in another state, who may have abuse going on in their family, and we have had a lot of strange dealings with these relatives).. it seems to me, that i have also been wiretapped ("bugged").. certain things that i say in my house, have been repeated to me by other people outside the house.. it is very strange to experience this.. it seems that every single time i would go to the kingdom hall for a meeting, the speaker would repeat something i had said in the house earlier that day or the night before, it was freaky!.

i have seen a few other people post up on this website about being wiretapped by jw elders.. has anyone else experienced any of these things?

Jim Dee

Its Troll time again!!

To wiretap you must have

1. Equipment at or near the house to record or broadcast 2. Access to the local Telephone exchange

To do 1. would be possible, but why?how would it look if caught? VERY risky and a

"bridge too far" by almost any elder that I know or have met

 To do 2 takes a court order and/or secret service of your local country. To monitor voice calls properly takes a algorithmic computer or dedicated scanner

;the best are made by COMVERSE the Tel Aviv company who sell all over the world

(CMV is the NASDQ code). To do so means to use the public exchange.

The algorithmic computer needs to decode/intercept at varying levels depending on the location

within the network the scanner/reader is . The type of protocol interpretation

that may be needed is Q.931 singalling (+SS7 if needed depending on location of

switch/exchange/PCCP),compression techniques (again depending on the area of

the network intercept - typically VoIP, ADPCM or maybe even some kind of CELP

Given that it is 1 (the most logical), then if you are really worried then go to

your local electronic shop and ask for a bug detector

 emails are another matter, to monitor emails and other data traffic is relatively easy

for a large corporation - especially when there is a capture system of the companies

/individual's IP address. The society are using a part of the CARNIVORE system which

can target on monitor the remote individuals traffic - even if using a Hotmail or Yahoo

 address - without any problems. Hence the reason for my previous post

(to much scorn and derision)

In fairness I think the chances of being bugged by the local congregation are non existant,

but watch your emails and what you say on them.

Jim

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Dateline/Panorama/Silent Lambs, Whats Changed?

by conoroberst in

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so now in the space of a few short months television programmes on national networks in the us, uk, canada and australia.

we see regular newspaper articles and radio phone ins on the subject.

but is anything changing?

Jim Dee

A lot has changed

Elders are worried and far more cautious

Elders are questioning their responsibilities

R&F are now aware of their lawful rights

Elders are now questioning their liabilities - ie they can end up in court or on TV if they screw up

Silence can no longer be enforced by the ignorant upon the damaged

Jim

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CO's and DO's meeting in the UK

by Jim Dee in

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at the risk of being called a "troll" again , i will share just one of the items discussed at the co's and do's emergency meeting.

so as not to be doubted, this is to be covered at most/all of the co's and do's visits over the next 6 months in the uk.

the society is concerned about the level of waste and expense caused by excess wt and awakes being ordered by the brothers and sisters which are then not put into the hands of the public.

Jim Dee

Troll I may be, but I am closer to the Borg than Og ever has been or will be.

As you read the item you must have noted the comment that "I will share just one of the items discussed at the CO's and DO's emergency meeting". This is not what the meeting was about - but just the "official cover story" to go back to the congs with to explain their abscence.

As to the main matters outlined in Jack Dowson's memo/fax I will leise directly with Bill/Bill I am hoping to get a verbatum in about 2 weeks and will fed straight to him - SL Bill has already noted on the last posting how close I am and how right the info I give is

Jim

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CO's and DO's meeting in the UK

by Jim Dee in

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at the risk of being called a "troll" again , i will share just one of the items discussed at the co's and do's emergency meeting.

so as not to be doubted, this is to be covered at most/all of the co's and do's visits over the next 6 months in the uk.

the society is concerned about the level of waste and expense caused by excess wt and awakes being ordered by the brothers and sisters which are then not put into the hands of the public.

Jim Dee

At the risk of being called a "Troll" again , I will share just one of the items discussed at the CO's and DO's emergency meeting

So as not to be doubted, this is to be covered at most/all of the CO's and DO's visits over the next 6 months in the UK.

The society is concerned about the level of waste and expense caused by excess WT and AWAKEs being ordered by the Brothers and Sisters which are then not put into the hands of the public

For example

Family of 4 orders 4 W/T and Aw - total 8 pairs of mags

3 Awakes get thrown (waste) and one Aw gets kept for file

Question, what is the correct amount of magazines you can order without incurring waste. Society estimate that 15 mags are wasted per family per month. Think of that across the circuit, district, nationally. and globally

Are we "treasuring the things of Jehovah?" If not why not.

Jim